During the dialogue, Ren Zhengfei talked with two thinkers about the difficulties faced by Huawei, how Huawei solved the dilemma, Huawei's future survival problems, and talked about the artificial intelligence society in the next 20 or 30 years, and answered Bloomberg, CNN, Washington Post, MIT. China InternationalTVQuestions from audiences such as Taiwan, Jinan University, and China Comprehensive Development Researcher.
It is worth mentioning that,Negroponte has just accepted Ren Zhengfei as his student. He is a technology visionary, founded MIT Media Lab with Jerome Wisner, also funded global startups, including Wired Magazine, Sohu, and has decided to invest the rest of his life in open science and global connectivity.
George Gillde is both a master of technology and a futurist, as well as a venture investor in a number of important projects in the United States and Israel, who likes to run and ski, and President Reagan is most often quoted as saying.
The following is the full text of this dialogue, from the Huawei community of voices -
Tian Wei: "A cupcoffeeAbsorbing cosmic energy, I am Tian Wei. Some people say that good communication is like drinking a cup of black coffee. It is very exciting. Although it is still impossible to know the difficulty of communicating content today, I believe that today’s dialogue must be very Inspiring and thought-provoking. Everyone looks at the guests on the stage. They are all leaders in various fields, and they dare to express their opinions on some of the challenges we are facing. I hope that today everyone can cross the borders and exchange ideas.
Since the theme of today’s dialogue isConversation with Ren Zhengfei's coffee", then let's start with the general. Mr. Ren Zhengfei is the founder and president of Huawei. Of course he is a legendary Chinese entrepreneur. He makes China one of the leaders in the 5G field. As far as I know, Huawei is the world's largest telecommunications equipment manufacturer and the second largest in the world.Mobile phonemanufacturer. Welcome to the total!
Sitting on the right of Ren was Professor Negroponte. The reason why he put the professor in the second place to introduce, because he has just accepted Ren as his student, this is big news. Professor Negroponte, a technology visionary, founded the MIT Media Laboratory with Jerome Burt Wisner. Of course, he also funds global startups, including Wired Magazine and Sohu. Moreover, he decided to devote the rest of his life to open science and global connectivity, of course, for the rest of his life. It's a great pleasure to have Professor Nicholas Negroponte!
Next, we would like to introduce Mr. George Gild, who is also a very interesting person. To many, he is both a master of technology and a futurist, and President Ronald Reagan is the most often quoted by Mr. Gillard. Mr. Gild is also a venture capitalist for a number of important projects in the United States and Israel, and he is also a runner and skier. It's a great pleasure to have Mr. Gould!
Finally, there is a very elegant lady. She is a senior colleague. She has been working for Huawei for 25 years and is currently a senior vice president and director of Huawei. Let us welcome Ms. Chen Lifang!
1. Tian Wei: "Dialogue with Ren Zong" begins with the general manager. Can you go to the United States, so call a good friend to China to drink coffee?
Ren Zhengfei: professor Nicholas Negroponte is Jobs' teacher. His son is in the same dorm as Jobs. Today I worship Nicholas as a teacher, so I am a classmate with Jobs. I feel most honored. Mr. George Gild wrote a preface to Mr. Huang Weiwei's English version of value as an outline. It was very well written. I adore him very much. I respect them, and nice to meet you here. You are a famous host.
Tian Wei: I want to ask two questions here. Are you afraid of political correctness? Although you know the current situation between China and the United States, you still choose to travel to China, come to Huawei, and have a room with us for dialogue.
George Gould: no, I'm not worried! I think I'm actually helping the United States, hoping it won't be obsessive, continue to make big mistakes, impose stupid bans, tariffs and restrictions on Huawei. Similarly, I hope to help reshape the architecture of the Internet and solve the major security problems facing the Internet. People are very paranoid about the problem and lack trust with each other. In fact, this is a technical problem that Huawei can solve, not a political problem.
Tian Wei: Is it a technical or political issue now?
Nicholas Negroponte: I think it's more about culture. I'm here for another reason. I volunteered to come to the event and told Mr. Ren exactly when I could come. George and I have known each other for forty years, and I am surprised and happy to see him here today. George and I disagree on politics. But in any case, we think the United States is making a big mistake, first and foremost against a company. I have been on Motorola's board for 15 years, and I think Huawei's earliest joint venture may include considering a joint venture with Motorola. What I am most concerned about is the openness of information and science. I come from western countries, western countries do not pay much attention to trade, business or stock price, but attach importance to knowledge, on the basis of previous development. Only when people keep an open attitude from the beginning can we continue to develop on the basis of our predecessor. This is the most important thing to me. Of course, there are other problems in the world, which I do not deny. But I focus on how the world works together. There is no global competition in the early stage of scientific development, so scientific development can benefit from cooperation.
2. Tian Wei: Mr. Ren, some people say that it is a technical problem. Some people say it is a cultural issue. What do you think is the problem? What problems are we currently facing?
Ren Zhengfei: I believe that the most important purpose of human society is to “create wealth” and free more people from poverty. Society must cooperate and win-win, and each country develops in isolation, which is impossible in the information society. In the industrial society, because of the geopolitical and geo-economics due to traffic problems and transportation problems, a country can make a sewing machine, a tractor alone... In the information society, there is no real possibility for a country to make a single thing. Therefore, the whole world must move toward open cooperation. Only open cooperation can catch up with the needs of human civilization, so that more people can enjoy the benefits brought by new technologies at a lower cost.
I believe that human society still has to move toward common cooperation and development. This is the right path. "The economy is moving toward globalization" was first proposed by Western society. We think this slogan is very correct. However, there will be waves in the process of globalization. After the emergence of the wave, we must treat it correctly, and use various laws and rules to adjust and solve it instead of taking extreme restrictions. The progress of human civilization is often the discovery and innovation of scientists. The politicians have the leadership and promotion. The entrepreneurs have products and markets, and all mankind work together to form new wealth. As everyone knows, Europe has also experienced the darkness of the Middle Ages and has not eaten it; China was also very poor four or fifty years ago, and it was not eaten, but today humans can’t finish it. In fact, the sky is still that day, the land is still the land, all the environment has not changed, why is humanity now rich? This is the advancement of science and technology that brings new happiness.
3. Tian Wei: Some companies have signed contracts with Huawei, but they are no longer providing parts to Huawei. How do you treat American companies that want to continue to supply Huawei?
Ren Zhengfei: First of all, American companies have a moral conscience and are very good. Huawei's development over the past 30 years is thanks to all the advanced and developed companies in the world for their support and help. We are now suffering some setbacks, not from their own heart, but from the different views of politicians about things. Huawei has also predicted that the company will develop very fast, there will be market competition, there will be some contradictions, but it is not thought that the US government's strategic determination to crack down on Huawei is so great and so firm; at the same time, it did not think of the US government's campaign against Huawei. The impact is so wide that not only the US parts cannot be supplied to Huawei, but Huawei is not allowed to participate in many international organizations and cannot strengthen cooperation with universities. However, these things can't obstruct the pace of Huawei's progress.
We didn't predict that it was so serious before, and it made some preparations. Just like the "bad airplane", it only protected the heart, protected the fuel tank, and did not protect other minor parts. In the next few years, the company may cut production, sales revenue will be 30 billion US dollars lower than planned, and sales revenue this year and next year is expected to be around 100 billion US dollars; in 2021, we may re-energize and re-establish better quality for human society. service. In the past two years, there are a lot of version switches. It takes a lot of time to switch between versions and time. It is understandable that the appropriate decline is possible. When we finished this step, it has become stronger.
When we were not strong, we all strengthened our cooperation with American companies. After we are stronger, we will cooperate with American companies, and we are not afraid of similar situations. We are not afraid to use American parts, not afraid of American elements, and not afraid to cooperate with anyone in the United States. However, it is also possible that some companies are not as strong as us, and may use American factors and American components cautiously, which will cause certain harm to the US economy. But Huawei will not, we are already very strong, and it is the "bird" that can't die.
Tian Wei: Ms. Chen, did the staff always tell employees about the plan for 2021?
Chen Lifang: I will talk about it at different times. The number of each time may not be the same.
4. Tian Wei: It seems that Ren has already revealed a lot of information, such as the bottom line thinking, what do you think of George?
George Gould: I think it's important that all new attempts are based on security. Innovation depends on security, which helps to enhance the credibility of innovation on a global scale. Because the global network, or the global Internet of things, the global 3D virtual reality network, the smart city and so on, all rely on the security system that can stand the test of time.
Tian Wei: We all know that safety is very important, but how to be safe? This is a problem.
George Gould: blockchain, for example, is an innovation and a technology being developed by a new generation of global technologists. I think blockchain technology should be integrated into Huawei's future plans.
Tian Wei: What about the standard? We talked about security and talked about some specific security issues. So Mr. Negroponte, how did you initially see the current development trend? What do you think of the standard? Is there a global standard now? How long will it be possible to establish global standards? Do we want to establish a global standard?
Nicholas Negroponte: first of all, I started using the Internet for a long time. When I first came into contact with the Internet, I knew almost all the users on the Internet, and now you know how long I have been using the Internet. No one thought the Internet would develop to the point where it is today. If someone told you that the Internet would develop into what it is now, he must be setting off the gun. No one could have thought that the Internet could play such a role as it is now. I experienced the launch of Soviet satellites as a teenager. Interestingly, satellites prompt the United States to do things that it has never done before. Now is Huawei's "satellite" era.
What the United States has done has contributed to Huawei’s “satellite”. Huawei will awaken and make some attempts because you have no way to go. This was also the case in Japan in the 1990s, when the United States worried that Japan would develop too fast, so Japan was regarded as an enemy of the United States and did not allow the United States to cooperate with Japan. Now China faces the same situation as Japan, and I hope that it will end as soon as possible. Standards are important, but the importance of standards is not as high as it used to be, in part because the system is smart enough that there is no need to set precise standards for everyone to implement because the system itself recognizes the commands and makes adjustments.
This is the change now and before, but we still need to cooperate on the basis of knowledge. Because if we do everything, it would be a pity that it is a pity for the whole world.
5. Tian Wei: When it comes to knowledge-based cooperation, I really have to ask Mr. Ren. Huawei's ongoing cooperation with many US universities and laboratories has been suspended by the United States. This is very unfavorable for the opening up of technology, and the impact on Huawei's technology research and development capabilities will be very large. How will Huawei face this situation now?
Ren Zhengfei: First of all, human society creation is divided into theoretical creation, engineering creation and market demand creation. China is strong in engineering creativity and weak in theoretical research. It must be studied in the West. The West has gone through hundreds of years of continuous research, such as the invention of calculus, which has made great contributions to human development in the development of basic theory. Although Huawei has invested huge amounts of scientific research funds every year, although there are more than 80,000 engineers, it has not produced any major inventions. For example, mobile communication was not invented by Huawei. Optical fiber communication was not invented by Huawei. The transmission method of IP was not invented by Huawei. The mobile Internet was not invented by Huawei. The aircraft was not invented by us. The car was not invented by us. The carriage was not invented by us. .... Our company's contribution to humanity in invention is still small, and we focus on engineering capabilities to make progress.
We now support more than 300 universities and more than 900 scientific research institutions in the world. We also want to make some contributions to theoretical innovation in the future. But we are not shrinking because of some blows. No, we will continue to work hard. The US government does not allow some universities to cooperate with us, and there are other universities that work with us. There are still many universities in the world. A few universities have an understanding of us and are understandable. They are short-term behaviors because they don't understand us.
We welcome more politicians from the United States to come to Huawei to take a look. They may also imagine that we live in thatched sheds and smash around with big scorpions. If you look at the pace of Huawei's innovation, you will feel that it is worthwhile to be friends with us and be credible to us. Professor George just said that to build a credible network, we made up our minds and decided on the business plan. We invested 100 billion U.S. dollars in five years to reconstruct the network architecture, making it simpler and faster. Safer, more credible, and privacy protection at least meet European GDPR standards. Of course, the financial income will also double. If our finances are hit, research investment will be reduced, but it is still close to this figure. We have to complete the network transformation and make contributions to humanity.
We also want to look at Huawei's contribution to society. In places where extreme poverty in Africa, malaria, Ebola, AIDS epidemics, and wilderness... Huawei is struggling. We can't make any money there, or we struggle for the ideals of mankind.
Therefore, we are making more contributions to the service of human beings, making up for our lack of invention in theory.
6. Tian Wei: It is very good to contribute to human beings, and I think it will bring a good market in the future. Mr. Gilde, you mentioned security issues before, and Mr. Ren mentioned this issue. Many questions are now about whether Huawei has a back door. Mr. Ren also responded. Mr. Gilde, who is this about security? Who will guarantee security? Who is going to judge a system that is not safe?
George Gould: this is an objective question. Can we test a particular telecommunications system? Is the system open? Can you use the new encryption technology? For example, the encrypted signature of the software can ensure the inherent credibility of the software, because the encrypted signature is difficult to tamper with. We have a lot of technical means to solve the problem of mistrust caused by the current insecure Internet architecture. Just as the fragmented monetary system that led to the trade war, our Internet security system is fragmented. Huawei is probably the best company in the world to solve these problems and seize these opportunities.
Tian Wei: Is Mr. Gilde's expectation for Huawei too high? Is it too optimistic or too pessimistic?
Nicholas Negroponte: I hope he's right. There's some evidence that Mr. Gillard may be right. Our president has publicly said that Huawei will be reconsidered if a trade agreement can be reached with China. It is clear that this is not a matter of national security, because national security cannot be used to trade, it is about other issues. This trade war must end, and I think the trade war will end soon, and I hope so.
7. Tian Wei: Mr. Ren, has Huawei implanted the back door in the equipment? Is there a security issue? You need to talk to our good friends, friends who watch the live broadcast, and friends all over the world.
Ren Zhengfei: First, we should separate "cyber security" and "information security" as two issues. Network security is a network that is responsible for the connection of human society. It cannot be arbitrarily embarrassed and cannot be arbitrarily broken. This is a security issue. As we all know, 6.5 billion people have to be connected, tens of millions of banks have to be connected, and tens of thousands of small and medium-sized enterprises and large enterprises must be connected. Bank transfers jumped among 6.5 billion people and must be accurately transferred to everyone, and not a penny. This is the responsibility of cyber security. Huawei provides connectivity to 3 billion people, including banks, corporations, and governments. For 30 years, we have operated in 170 countries and have not been able to prove that our network is safe.
For information security, we provide "pipes" and "faucets". Comparing the terminal to a "faucet", comparing the connection network to a "pipeline", a flow of "water" or a flow of "oil" is not the responsibility of the pipeline, but the responsibility of the operator and the content provider.
Regarding whether Huawei has a back door and 100% have no back door, we are willing to sign an agreement with the countries around the world that "Huawei has no back door and no espionage." But why can't you sign it? Because these countries have proposed to sign a backdoor-free agreement with all network equipment suppliers, it is difficult to pass. Why can't I sign with us first? You can talk to others as an example.
Tian Wei: What countries are there?
Ren Zhengfei: The leaders of many countries have talked to me. After signing with a country, it can serve as an example. Everyone saw that Huawei dared to sign a contract and promised that there was no back door.
Safety and insecurity are relative. The thickness of the atmosphere is one thousand kilometers, and the thickness of the cloud composed of information in the future may be more than several thousand kilometers. There will always be one or the other mistakes in such a thick cloud. Maybe the thunder is wrong and you go to another place. How should you investigate? If an error is pursued, the error is resolved, the error is mishandled, and a company cannot be fully attacked for no reason. The legal system must be based on the law and judged without trial.
In the future, as the cloud society develops more and more, more and more entrances are made, more and more mistakes are made, and it is more and more easy to make mistakes. If you are careful not to make a mistake, this society will be conservative, not open and enterprising society. It is.
8. Tian Wei: Ms. Chen, I asked Mr. Ren exactly which country he did not answer. But I know that he has always said "love the United States" inside of you, and is he still saying that he loves the United States? Things have changed a lot now.
Ren Zhengfei: The United States is an advanced and developed country. Everyone knows that the Indians lived in a desolate place more than two hundred years ago. After the Puritans landed, they brought in the British institutional laws and made the United States open up in an orderly manner, so that the United States became the most powerful in the world. The country, the United States has many aspects worth learning. We have encountered a small setback and will not make us hate the United States. The United States has a long history. This small paragraph has made a mistake. If we hate it for a lifetime, it will only be backward. Only by learning from it can you always be a leader in the industry.
9. Tian Wei: Professor Negroponte, Ren said that it is very interesting. He thinks that we should look at the long history, not the short-term. What can we learn from history? You also often talk about history, such as the history of Japan and the "satellite moment." What do you think we can learn from history? Many people say that the world today is still the law of the jungle.
Nicholas Negroponte: we can take a look at some of the technologies invented in the United States and those invented in the rest of the world. We do not have the industrial, commercial ability and courage to do some scientific and technological inventions, because the road to invention is very tortuous. I can give two examples. The first is a flat panel display, which originated from a piece of glass in my lab in the early 1970s, when the United States did not quickly develop technology because it required a lot of investment. The technology subsequently developed in Japan and elsewhere. Before that, there was a videotape, which caused a great stir when it was invented, but we didn't develop the technology further. The same is true of telecommunications technology, where the government stopped funding my lab 20 years ago and turned to other areas.
The United States has not promoted the development of the telecommunications industry. The European companies such as Nokia and Ericsson have been promoted to promote the development of this industry. These history prove that short-term strategies (usually quarterly) hinder the long-term development of the industry. However, Huawei has a long-term vision, so it can achieve rapid development in areas such as 5G, which is unlikely to happen under the US system. Huawei's operations are different from small businesses and large companies in the United States.
10. Tian Wei: Mr. Gilde, many people say that they are now in the cold war of science and technology, and that China and the United States and China and other countries will be separated from the technical point of view. Are you as optimistic as Ren, or do you think of this thing from a historical perspective like Professor Negroponte?
George Gould: Mr Ren is so confident that there are conditions. After all, Huawei is such a big company with more than 87000 patents and more than 80000 R & D engineers. He is concerned about the technology of the future. If China and the United States are really technically isolated, the United States will suffer the most.
Tian Wei: Are you slamming the United States?
George Gould: no. I am an American. I believe the United States has a very good spirit of entrepreneurship, innovation and technology, but the United States still has to work with other countries to develop. When the United States was an underdeveloped economy, Ford, Edison, Carnegie and all other great entrepreneurs who built the oil, car, and electrical industries stole technology from Europe. Many say they sent spies into European companies and brought back some key technologies to set up companies such as Ford. Historically, it is only the technological status that the United States has established that has been challenged by the latecomer of China, and the United States wants to fight back. I think this is a huge mistake, tantamount to suicide.
I believe that the United States must deal with Huawei's relations and global challenges. This is actually for the benefit of the United States. The United States is no longer a leader in the semiconductor industry. Some people think that the United States has an unsurpassed lead in the semiconductor industry and can be used to negotiate with China and force China to comply with some of our requirements. This idea is completely wrong. The United States is no longer a leader in the semiconductor industry, and Taiwan is more advanced than us in the semiconductor field. Apple’s new CPU is produced in Taiwan.IntelIt is no longer possible to develop chips for 7nm process.
If you still feel that the US's scientific and technological status cannot be challenged and you do not need to cooperate with China and other countries in the world, this is a completely wrong understanding. This is a misunderstanding that has been formed over the years. If we need to overcome the challenges of the future and achieve the set goals, we must abandon this understanding.
Ren Zhengfei: In general, the science and technology of the United States is more advanced than China. After all, China is a late-developing country. China has made some progress in the past 40 years of open reform. The United States has made progress in one or two hundred years, and the United States has better aspects in terms of innovation soil. Suppose the US is upstream, and the upstream water always flows downstream. If the upstream water does not flow downstream, the downstream will dry up, but the downstream will not be exhausted, because the downstream market is particularly important for the upstream, and the decoupling of science and technology does not conform to the laws of historical development.
Second, human society is not the law of the jungle, because human society always has to cooperate and win-win, and multiple forces are checks and balances. Why should we take the market economy and not take the planned economy? The checks and balances of the market economy will be wasteful, but the orderly development is formed through checks and balances. There are laws in this society, as well as institutions, as well as religions, as well as moral constraints. These constraints will make our society not go to the law of the jungle. The society also has the "Anti-Monopoly Law". When a lion grows to a certain extent, it cannot be allowed to grow. It must be divided into two lions to maintain a balanced social development.
Huawei will not be obsessed with a little lead in the 5G field, or open to the public. Therefore, if China and the United States implement the decoupling of science and technology, both of them will suffer, and no one will be the winner.
Tian Wei: I understand that the jungle is very big in nature, and there are many different factors, such as lions and rabbits. Not only can you survive, but you can develop better after the crisis. It seems that Huawei has already figured out how to survive and achieve prosperity.
Chen Lifang: I don't like to use "the law of the jungle" to describe human society. Everyone knows that the most ferocious animal lion tiger has not been played! Why is human development to this day? It is unity and cooperation. This is the eternal truth, not the law of the jungle. Everyone is particularly concerned about whether Huawei is facing great difficulties and pressures. I have not felt that today is the biggest pressure and difficulty. Recalling Mr. Ren's entrepreneurial period should be the most difficult. At that time, there was no technology, no money, no one. Mr. Guo Ping joined Huawei earlier than me and had more understanding in person. There was nothing at the time and it has grown to this day; by contrast, today’s challenges and pressures are nothing. For 30 years, Huawei has faced difficulties, faced problems, faced challenges, and then solved it.
11. Tian Wei: If you are really not as challenging as everyone said, as a reporter, I am of course very happy. But now, our dialogue can not only focus on the challenges Huawei is currently facing, we should regard it as a starting point. Ren is very passionate about 5G, 5G will support the infrastructure, and achieve many functions such as communication. Mr. Gilde has been saying for many years that artificial intelligence does not replace human beings, and human capabilities and brains have enormous potential. Mr. Negroponte has repeatedly mentioned in lectures and books. As you wrote in the book "Digital Survival" published in 1995, biotechnology will become a new digital technology.
Mr. Negroponte also said that we can learn Chinese even if we swallow a small tablet, not only by the eyes, but the whole body helps us to learn. So what is this future?
George Gould: you don't really say that, do you?
Nicholas Negroponte: yes, I've said that before, but that doesn't mean it's true.
12. Tian Wei: Please allow me to ask questions in turn, and I welcome everyone to talk about different points. As we just discussed, what major trends will you focus on in the future? I would like to ask Mr. Gilde, the futurist in the eyes of many people, to answer first.
George Gould: I think one of the basic challenges facing the world economy is to solve the currency scandal. Today, there are $5.1 trillion in currency transactions around the world every 24 hours, but these currency transactions contribute nothing. I think the real cause of the trade war is not trade or industrialization, but the collapse of the monetary system. This has failed to prevent a large number of hedges accompanied by cross-border trade, as well as trade conflicts, and so on, and a large number of currency transactions have actually had no practical effect. So I think the biggest contribution of the block chain is to promote a new global currency, just as gold has played a role in the rapid development of the global economy for centuries. That is why blockchain is not only the new architecture of the Internet, but also the new architecture of the world economy in the future.
Tian Wei: Don't you think this is just virtual wealth, just like a stockbroker?
George Gould: it is not a kind of wealth in itself, but a measure of wealth that can guide the vision and creative development of a business. We must have unified measurement standards, such as seconds, kilos, amperes, Moore, etc., before we can produce chips in Taiwan, assemble smartphones in Shenzhen, market in Kubitino, amplify power in Israel, and so on. All of this requires uniform measurement standards to ensure that 1 nm is the same length as the map in Shenzhen.
Money is a very important measure. However, the currencies of countries around the world are different and are controlled by central banks. This has caused the currency to be in a very chaotic state, which has led to a slowdown in world economic growth and the inability to further develop trade. It has also led to more divisions in various countries and conflicts in terms of monetary value. I think Huawei has a good opportunity to play a key role in solving this challenge.
Tian Wei: Mr. Negroponte, you definitely disagree with your friends?
Nicholas Negroponte: I don't agree. I don't know much about it, but it sounds interesting. Your question is about the general trend of the future, which revolves around the changes that have taken place in the science and technology world over the past three decades. We can do things, design things, make things, and make things smaller and smaller, which is beginning to intersect with nature. When I was young, the natural world was very different from the virtual AI world. I used to learn architectural design, good architecture and nature are perfectly integrated. But it is surprising that the intelligent world is the same as the natural world now. When I set up the media lab, I never thought there would be a team like today to design a new mouse. Are these mice real or artificial? These mice are produced, but they are living, can move the mouse. You can imagine that in a decade, Huawei can ship very small things, let them plant like seeds, water them, and make them grow into base stations. 10 years later, these are entirely feasible. The reason I say biotechnology is a new digital technology is that I see changes in synthetic biotechnology, and they can't be separated. These are some of the changes I have seen.
Tian Wei: The digital world will be integrated with the biotechnology world.
Nicholas Negroponte: yes, about the same.
13. Tian Wei: What do you think about the future of the seed growth?
Ren Zhengfei: Professor Nicholas is talking about the ups and downs of human society after the combination of DNA and electronic technology. I have not studied this issue, so I have no say. However, I think that the greatest driving force for human society in the next two or three decades is artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence is to make people more capable, not to replace people. This society has become more and more complicated, trains are running faster and faster, and networks are becoming more and more complex. This is the individual intelligence that cannot be controlled. In the future, there will be some deterministic work. Artificial intelligence can be directly processed to intercept problems at the edge. After the uncertainty work is uploaded to the central processing and then processed by artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence may also handle errors, and may also deal with To deal with right and wrong are deep learning and perfect human society.
To be tolerant of innovation, don't be nitpicking. There is a problem with the network that needs to be repaired. It may be remote maintenance. Do humans have to climb the pole to call maintenance? This is a high cost. Therefore, we must have a tolerant attitude towards future innovations in order to meet the great society. Don't think of artificial intelligence as something negative. Artificial intelligence is an extension of human ability.
Professor Nicholas said that the concept of artificial intelligence was put forward a few decades ago, but there is no means to achieve it. Today there are means to achieve it. Artificial intelligence will create greater wealth for human beings and will not replace people. How does artificial intelligence appreciate music? How to listen to humor? This is still a late event and is currently improving production efficiency.
Tian Wei: Although it is a teacher who just worshipped, the teacher and the students are quite tacit. Mr. Gilde, they seem to have a different view from you.
George Gould: I've been working on connection groups for some time. I've been working on Internet connections for some time. What is the sum of all the connection memory on the Internet? I mainly focus on the global Internet can reach the ZB level of memory, 10 ≤ 21 power, this is the ZB level.
Recently, I am studying the connection group of the human brain. The connection capacity of a human brain is as high as 1ZB. In other words, the number of connections in a person's brain is the same as the capacity of the entire global Internet connection. The global Internet connection consumes as much energy as the Zewa (ZW), but the human brain consumes only 12-14 watts of energy. Therefore, I believe that the key to truly determining the future development and prosperity of human beings is to fully release the capacity of the human brain. The consumption of 12 watts of energy in the human brain can support the 6 billion joints supported by Huawei fiber and wireless technology. This is not to say that a super mouse can be made by taking a pill, and human life is not the same as electronic technology. But human life can reflect electronic technology. This is a different phenomenon that has not yet been fully understood. We can't make a rash conclusion, just as we can't rashly say that eating a pill can read Shakespeare.
Tian Wei: Mr. Nicholas Negroponte, now you have a chance to state your point of view.
Nicholas Negroponte: I think we can do more and more products as long as they are correct in terms of calculation and connection. Some things happen naturally, and many people study two very different AI theories at the same time. There is a AI that is comparable to, or even better than, the human brain, which is what we call traditional AI.. What some very deep thinkers thought about in the sixties and seventies is this kind of AI, which is not a AI. connected by 7.5 billion people. Just now, when it comes to connecting everyone, 7.5 billion of the world's brains connect to each other, and the effect is definitely many times that of 7.5 billion. This is a different field, and of course it is also very interesting. From a computational point of view, I can do more. But the human brain can not expand on it, computers can expand. So, George, I think this form has changed.
I just said that eating a pill can learn French or Chinese. This is very different from the natural interaction of the human brain. It is a breakthrough from the inside, not an external breakthrough. It is also very interesting if you go through the blood circulatory system and get your neural network from this angle. I don't know which part of the human brain is in French. Can you put such a thing in the human brain, can you take it away? For now, these correctness are not very important. This is a very exciting way of thinking. We can imagine what kind of changes people will bring if they do.
14. Tian Wei: It is not an important issue to eat this pill. The question is what we will see in the future. Then let's talk about the future, such as "lifelong learning," which is very important to everyone, no matter what kind of future we talk about. How do you do it for you? What is the best tool? How to achieve "lifelong learning"? I know that especially recently, you must have learned very fast.
Ren Zhengfei: No matter how fast you learn, it is not as fast as a machine; no matter how long you learn, your life is always limited. In the future, artificial intelligence has great inheritance to human society. Scientists' thinking and ways of thinking may be inherited. For example, Einstein's thinking has been used for centuries and millennia; and the computer's computing power is super strong and stored. Large, you can learn a number of excellent thinking patterns through learning, through these algorithm models can continue to calculate. And because inanimate life can be accumulated thousands of years of wisdom, become a powerful ability, I think it will create great opportunities for the future of mankind. What kind of opportunity is this? I don't know, but I will definitely create huge wealth for the benefit of human society.
Today we can't predict how human society will be in the future, but "lifelong learning" is an incentive for one person. Learning for a society is an inanimate iteration. This iteration is constantly re-established through machine learning and understanding of algorithms. Constantly modeling, one day, many complicated problems in human society can be understood in a simple way. That is to say, very complicated things are done by many people today, and few people can do it in the future. Therefore, the problem of lifelong learning should not stay in the lifelong learning of human life. It is necessary to widely understand the lifelong learning of a society, and it must be cross-border and cross-disciplinary.
Our generation also has the concept of geopolitics, because we did not have a family when we were young, let alone the country, even the county gate has not been out, it is a long time to get out of the county gate, there is a geographical concept. Nowadays, many young children have no geographical concept through the Internet. Ideology is gradually weakening in the new young generation. From a young age, it is a new way of learning.
In the face of future human society, I think it is better. Everyone emotionally produces the horror of "artificial intelligence instead of human beings", which is imagined by writers. However, the society has laws, religions, ethics, and common restrictive measures, so that the anti-human inaccuracies cannot occur or occur less. We believe that the more wealth will be created, the less it will become.
Some people say that when Chinese people get rich, they have to eat fish, and natural resources are not enough. From the Google map, China's coastal areas are cages. Most of the fish we eat are artificially fed. They do not consume a lot of natural resources. This is the liberation of productivity in creating new wealth. Of course, I encourage the society to move towards a frugal society and not to waste extravagance. You see, Norway is very wealthy, but my biggest impression of Norway is that everyone lives in a small house and everyone drives a small car. Our representative office can't afford a car. I went by train. A wealthy country can also form a frugal way, resources are wealthy, but life is frugal, natural resources consumption will not be so large, but the ability to create resources will increase. Therefore, I don't think there will be war.
Tian Wei: Not only do you talk about lifelong learning, but you also talk about how our world is constantly improving. I want to ask Ms. Chen a question. I will ask you later.
Chen Lifang: Just now the three teachers looked far. After 30 years, I will watch it for three or five years. Technology will make life better. The biggest expectations are Huawei, Nokia, Ericsson, Vodafone,China MobileLet's build 5G together. My son went to the United States to watch the NBA two days ago. He supports the Warriors. I support the Canadian Raptors. After the 5G network is established, he can enjoy and interact with me in the United States.
Tian Wei: This is a very interesting world, right? This world is bigger than many people think. Said very well.
George Gould: actually, it's the size of a cup of coffee. When Ren is always talking about artificial intelligence, we can feel his great foresight. I don't think the leaders of any company in the world can make such an in-depth and comprehensive analysis of the core topic of technological development, which is why the United States should reach an agreement with Huawei. Huawei is a resource around the world, not a small role in dealing with back doors and security issues.
Tian Wei: It seems that Mr. Gilde is a fan of Huawei, Professor Negroponte said.
Nicholas Negroponte: I think it's also important that Mr. Ren is still very poetic. I would like to talk about the question you asked about lifelong learning at the beginning. I would like to remind you that learning is something you do on your own, andeducationIt is something that others do to you, and we must distinguish the two. When it comes to the best countries in the world, it can be divided into two distinct groups. One group is represented by Finland, Sweden, and Norway. These countries are doing very well in education, but they don’t take exams very much, they have shorter study time every day, and they have fewer days of study each year. There is no competitive pressure at all, so there The children learn very well. Since I am in China now, I will talk about Chinese education. Chinese education pays attention to repeated training, practice, and a lot of exams. Half of the children may be eliminated in the process. However, the children who are strangled are very strong. I think the second way of education is not desirable, and the first form of education will gradually become the global benchmark. But this kind of education is not very attractive. Thanks to Huawei, many children and remote areas have access to the Internet. With the connection, these children can do great things.
I will share an experiment we have done. We went to two villages in Ethiopia, where there was no electricity and the locals were illiterate. We sent some tablets to the children in the village, but did not arrange any guidance from the person, and then we left. The only guide is to arrange for an adult to show another adult how to place the solar panels outdoors rather than indoors, and we can remotely monitor how they are used. Within two hours, the children found the key to opening, which is not easy because they have never seen a switch in their lifetime. Within a week, they have learned how to sing English alphabet songs; in two weeks, they use 50 apps a day, using a tablet for 10 hours a day, and the battery can last for so long; six months later, they attacked Android. . Today they can speak, read and write fluent English. There are no magic bullets, no teacher guidance, and you can do a lot of things. What I want to say is that this method works for anyone. What children can do is surprising, and we always underestimate them.
15. Tian Wei: Mr. Gilde, you finally agree with Professor Negroponte. There is another question that I want to ask you. Just now you said that if everyone can work together to overcome the conflicts in front of us, the world will become better. But I have talked with many people. Many people have expressed concern that the next generation can enjoy the life that the present generation has experienced in the past few decades. Life has been improving and getting better? Maybe the lives of the next generation of children will not be as good as your generation. Mr. Negroponte, you are often with children, such as providing computers with a $100 computer to help them access the digital world. What do you think? In fact, is it because you choose to be pessimistic, or optimistic?
Nicholas Negroponte: to tell you the truth, I was very lucky, my parents were very rich, their parents were very rich, everyone in the family went to college, they went to many countries, I went to more than 30 countries when I was four years old, and I had no idea how lucky I was. No one in my brother has entered the business world. They are civil servants, scholars or artists. Our measures are not quite the same as what you say, because they are usually measured in terms of economic growth. In addition to economic growth, we think that people still have to pursue the meaning of life, if life does not make much sense, will not be happy when they die. When you look back on your life, you say what kind of life it is? Some people live a meaningful life, so there will be no such problem. If you struggle all your life, it's a lot harder.
When I heard that the younger generation may not be as lucky and have so many opportunities, I feel that there is no need to think so, because they have something we didn't have before. Whether you are rich or poor, it doesn't matter. After all, they have to work for a while, and may hate being a lawyer, a banker or a hedge fund manager, a hedge fund, and how empty life is. After working for a while, they started doing something else, that's it. Nowadays, young people are well integrated in this respect. I see that a lot of young people combine the meaning of money and life. This is very important.
Tian Wei: Mr. Ren, do you think that our future children’s lives will continue to grow and continue to improve as you generation?
Ren Zhengfei: The question of "what is happiness" must be clearly stated. Because the human generation is stronger than the first generation, don't always look at the current children with a pessimistic view. The current children may not have experienced so many hardships like us, but their learning speed is very fast, and the ability to accept new knowledge is very Strong. As Professor Nicholas said, if there are many poor children who can receive good education, human beings will have stronger ability to create wealth and have stronger ability to get rid of poverty. The society will be more harmonious and friendly, and the future should have hope. Children should be better than one generation. Otherwise, it would be better to return to five thousand years. In fact, it was too backward five thousand years ago. We are better today than 5,000 years ago. In the next two thousand years, all the problems we are now worried about will be solved.
George Gilder:It would be silly for the rich to think the future would be worse than it is now. Of course, if you look at the history of China over the past 50 years, each generation has much more opportunities than the previous generation. Globally, the world becomes more and more equal because the poor become rich. Only in the United States, people are silly in respect of nature, worried about the unique climate change, bad weather and other disasters, so they think the future will become worse. If you live in this world and understand history, you will find opportunities as open as Huawei's vision.
16. Tian Wei: Let the audience ask some questions. I know that there are also very intelligent people present here who will raise very good questions. Don't put pressure on everyone, let the audience ask questions now. I know that there are media representatives, think tank representatives, Huawei partners, and people who are interested in recent technological developments. If you have any questions, you can raise your hand and the staff will give you a microphone. I will be as fair as possible and let everyone have the opportunity to ask questions.
Question: I have two questions: First, I would like to ask Ren Zong. I have been doing some videos about Huawei recently. I hope that everyone, especially the American public, can discuss Huawei more fairly. Will Huawei pay more attention to the American people in the future, or will the US government do a good job? Or both are concerned, or neither? Which aspect is more important? Second, Professor Negroponte, the United States is an open capitalist system. The Chinese system is mainly led by the government. Now it is seen that the United States seems to be contrary to the best technology. If the best technology is rejected, What will happen?
Ren Zhengfei: We are both concerned about the American people and the American government, because no matter which person makes an incorrect decision, it is only a short period in history. Most decisions made by the United States are correct. For example, in the Second World War, the United States made great sacrifices; the contribution it has made to the positive development of society over the past few decades and the promotion of globalization have been promoted by the US government. The US government is great. The American people are also great because they work hard, study hard, provide a lot of advanced theories and valuable wealth, and they are also a help to us. I can't go to the US for the time being. It doesn't matter. It doesn't mean that people after or after me can't go. China and the United States may enjoy 8G together. At that time, it was not 5G, 6G, 8G, 9G, 100G... It is also possible. Therefore, we will ultimately reflect the need to serve the United States.
Nicholas Negroponte: I think how much G or something is a little overrated. With regard to your question, I think whatever is going to be closed, it must be stopped. 27% of MIT students are from Asia. I don't know the exact figures, but I guess more than 20% of them are from China. If you add Chinese students born in the United States to Chinese parents, the proportion could reach 30%. This is a very large number. In the media lab, 60% of them are international students, so some people say we are training our competitors. This is not the case. We are raising the level of the whole world. Think you have something and I don't, you take something from me and take it for yourself, then I don't have it. It's a very outdated thinking. Unfortunately, this is the way President Trump thinks. He does not think that we can achieve win-win, together to continue to improve the level of global development. It is very important to train international students.
I made a mistake twenty years ago. At the time, I felt that the Internet would make people more integrated. I thought that the borders of the country would disappear and nationalism would be abandoned. But what is the situation today? Looking around the world, I found that the situation has become even worse. Therefore, I was wrong in the past. If you let me give a suggestion now, I would recommend cross-border marriage. Let your child find a foreigner to marry, which may promote the world's progress.
Tian Wei: This is a social issue, and I will discuss it later.
17. Question (Bloomberg): You mentioned that Huawei’s business this year will be reduced by 30 billion US dollars. What specific plans do you have in the future? We have seen that Huawei sold the submarine cable business some time ago. Will more businesses be split and sold in the future? In the past one or two years, what measures will Huawei take to alleviate the current pressure?
Ren Zhengfei: There will be no problem of business splitting in the future, and there will be no problem of selling the business. The submarine cable business was very successful. It was not sold because the recent blows were affected. In fact, we wanted to sell it very early because we thought that this business was not relevant to the main channel. Other businesses will not have the need to split or sell, but we may shrink and put the employees on the shrinking front to the main battle line, and do the main battle as soon as possible. Huawei will not have large-scale layoffs, but business integration has been going on.
The most typical example is that we cut down on the industry more than two years ago. This department has 20,000 employees and costs nearly 10 billion US dollars, but has not made any achievements. Two years ago, we decided to cut it off. I quietly told the human resources department that everyone should first go up and wait for the wages, and then those employees will not be able to wait until they raise their wages. The reason why the terminal went so far, the cloud went so far, it is these experienced employees who rushed to make achievements. Two years later, I went to visit them some time ago, only to find that they did not wait for the salary increase and left. They went to the main battlefield and went to the post and went to the government to get rich. I think this spirit is very good and should be commended. When the commendation meeting was held, it was first proposed that 10,000 people should go to the red carpet, and later said that "the red carpet can't go down, three thousand people", I also agree. I made a medal for themselves and I went to talk. The medals were not done very well, Xu Zhijun said, "Because you have spoken, give meaning to this medal, they cherish it."
For two years, we have cut so many departments that there is no voice in the society and no voice in the company. In fact, many business restructuring has already begun.
18. Question (MIT): I am a professor at Harbin University of Technology. I used to work in MIT. I am more concerned about Huawei's future research work, especially in the controversial current, as Negroponte mentioned just now. How does Huawei solve the problem of basic research? As you mentioned earlier, this is very important for future development. What are the impacts of China's innovative challenges on Huawei's basic research?
Ren Zhengfei: I think we are always willing to strengthen cooperation with all scientists and universities. In cooperation with universities, we follow the Baydu Act of the United States, which invests in University professors, but does not occupy any achievements. These achievements belong to schools and professors. Generally, we will not sign at the end of the paper. It doesn't matter which school doesn't cooperate for the time being, because there are many schools in the world. As you all know, 5G is regarded so seriously by the whole world, even as an atomic bomb. In fact, the key technology of 5G was triggered by a 2007 mathematical paper by a Turkish professor, which was published by a Turkish professor.
Human society is very extensive, there are many universities, "where there is no grass in the horizon", where there are outstanding people to cooperate. Therefore, we will not give up our efforts because of temporary setbacks.
19. Question: My question concerns China and innovation. To what extent has China's research system relied on global innovation networks in the past decade? If cross-border cooperation is greatly reduced, can China continue to achieve cutting-edge innovation?
Ren Zhengfei: I think that although mass innovation in China seems to be flourishing, most of it is applied innovation, which is based on the world platform. If we leave the platform of the world, I think innovation will be a great setback. Because China still needs to work hard on basic theory investment and basic education. Therefore, the questions you have just raised should be paid attention to by Chinese government departments at all levels.
George Gould: I think China is working on all kinds of innovation and basic research, including with Professor Zeilinger of Austria and with Professor Pan, a leader in innovation and cryptography research in China. China is the first to use quantum entanglement technology to transmit some information in satellite networks in an absolutely secure manner. The Chinese people carry out basic and applied research in these fields in various ways.
So I think the outside world's view of innovation failure and China is outdated. These views are based on what happened more than 20 years ago, but I think the situation in China is different now.
Tian Wei: Today we heard some important news about Tu Youyou's team. She has made new progress in the field of research and is also a Nobel Prize winner.
20. Questions (China International Television): I would like to ask Mr. Ren a question about intellectual property rights. Now many American media say that Huawei stole a lot of business secrets and intellectual property rights from Western companies in the early stage of its start-up. How do you respond to that? Now Huawei has more than 80,000 patents, will they be weaponized?
Ren Zhengfei: Firstly, Huawei has been very standard from the beginning. Although we were a small company, we also had ethics. If there were no ethics, we would not be today. Although there have been several intellectual property lawsuits in our country and the United States, we believe that the judgments of American courts are basically fair. Therefore, there is no basis for saying that we "steal intellectual property".
Second, we have a lot of intellectual property rights, will it be "weaponized"? Unable. However, intellectual property rights are created through labor, so cross-licensing and mutual payment between us and other companies are necessary, but it can not be regarded as "weaponization" to inhibit the development of human society.
21. Tian Wei: I hope to collect all the questions and ask the guests to answer them together.
Question (Washington Post): I want to ask Mr. Ren a question. Is it true that Huawei predicts a 40-60% decline in global mobile phone sales today? Could you clarify the situation of American suppliers? Has most American suppliers stopped supplying now? Or do they continue to supply Huawei due to a 90-day grace period? How are they doing?
CNN: My question is for all the guests. First of all, you just mentioned the Internet generation, the ideological problem is not so serious, and the future will be better, not worse, and so on. You also mentioned that using Google Maps to find fishing grounds around the world is fun. China's huge censors have banned Google's search and mapping capabilities in China, as well as some of the technology provided by other American and foreign companies. What do you think about this? If a whole generation of people can't access this kind of information, do you think the future is as good as you think? And people have been trying to prove that this kind of information blockade will eventually lead to retaliation. I'd like to hear your views on this issue. In response to other guests, I would also like to ask a related question. Mr. Gilder and Mr. Negroponte, you have just mentioned many times the advocacy of open cooperation in the United States. Should China also consider relaxing its censorship mechanism and no longer adopt the policy of "authoritarian Internet"?
Question (Jinan University): I have a question to ask President Ren. We know that Huawei is not only a Chinese enterprise, but also a global enterprise. It has business and branches in more than 170 countries. Professor MIT mentioned that many of the students recruited by Huawei come from Asian countries. How does Huawei plan to attract more global talent?
Question (China Research Institute for Comprehensive Development): Just mentioned that open cooperation is very important. In the case of interruption of industrial chain cooperation, whether Huawei and technology companies can have a possibility to explore a third way through cooperation with international technology giants, international science and technology forums and technology alliances, in order to promote human scientific development.
Ren Zhengfei: First, just now the Washington Post reporter asked, "Has Huawei's mobile phone sales in the international market dropped by 40%? At the most serious point overseas, they fell by 40%. However, in the recent rapid recovery, they have shrunk to 20%. They are still improving."
Second, open cooperation is advocated by Huawei and will never change. The issue you mentioned is government-led and negotiation between governments.
Third, is there a third way? We didn't think about the third way. We are a road, a tendon, like climbing a snow mountain, slowly climb up, once unable to climb, slide down, and then continue to climb, one day we will climb to the top of the mountain.
Fourthly, on the issue of global talent, we have talent in more than 170 countries, with about 40,000 foreign employees. I can't figure out the number of people in which country.
George Gould: when I talked about the Internet of things just now, I think the key issue is to establish de facto networking, trust networking and transaction networking. "the post-Google era talks about how to reconstruct trust through block chains, cryptography, and other advanced technologies." Fortunately, a new generation of technicians is leading the development of these technologies. Political problems will disappear as new technologies evolve, and I think Huawei can make a significant contribution to trust networking. At the same time, once trusted networking, Huawei can once again provide products and services to the United States.
22. Tian Wei: Please tell everyone the Enlightenment of today's conversation with Ren General Coffee in one sentence.
Chen Lifang: As I said just now, Huawei will not have any back doors. Our products are open, transparent, safe and credible. But, however, the latter is more important: Huawei's front door is always open. Welcome everyone, including through the media, to see and understand. Thank you!
George Gould: I think Huawei is the center of global technological development in the future. For the outside world, the actions taken by the United States and other countries against Huawei are actually a test for Huawei. If Huawei fails to pass the test, it means that the world will undergo a devastating change, and individual companies will shift on the grounds of opposing vague ideology. This is the test Huawei will face.
Nicholas Negroponte: I think in the course of Huawei's test, don't pay too much attention to security, back doors or relations with the Chinese government. Aside from this, pay more attention to the 100000 papers you publish, the research you do, and let the world know the results of your research. At a dinner party, I said Huawei is a great company. They said, really? I said, yes, people around the world are not aware of your contribution to technology.
Ren Zhengfei: I think the world is win-win cooperation.
Tian Wei: This sentence is simple and not simple. Thank you very much. Today, I conclude the first coffee conversation with Ren Quan. I hope that there will be more coffee conversations and more opportunities to discuss and stimulate ideas in the future. Thank you very much!